[Milton-L] Piled stones

John Rumrich rumrich at mail.utexas.edu
Fri Jan 18 14:28:32 EST 2008


I'm making a list of buildings that have Milton's words engraved or  
otherwise more or less permanently inscribed on their walls--like the  
NYPL and the Chicago Tribune building.  Any help out there?

John


On Jan 16, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Derek Wood wrote:

> I could not reply at the time -- too long to explain.
>
> 1. Do you really mean 'despair'? The implications of despair in a  
> Christian world and those in  the Roman
> world are such that I wonder if you can compare them. cf. Dido  
> wandering around Hades after her despairing suicide compared with  
> the terrible claustrophobic metamorphosis of Pier delle Vigne in  
> the Inferno . . .punished for all eternity. Surely Oedipus despairs  
> in the Tyrannos and blinds himself so that (terrible reason) he may  
> not see his parents for all eternity in the afterlife. But he  
> punishes himself for incest; he is not punished for a sin of  
> despair. Despair is the most terrible sin, the unforgivable sin in  
> Christian teaching. In Roman times it can even be honourable.
>
> 2. Samson does not despair. He is not in a state of sin. He has  
> earlier gone through all the stages of regeneration as Milton  
> explains them in the Doctrina; (in Adam we see these stages clearly  
> realised: recognition of guilt, contrition, repentance etc) Samson  
> does long for death, and calls for it repeatedly This is a lament  
> as is Job's sorrowing cry. The lamentation is not sinful or  
> despairing in either case..For despair see Redcrosse's experience  
> in Faerie Queene Bk 1.
> Derek.
>
> Derek N. C. Wood,
> Senior Research Professor,
> St. Francis Xavier University,
> ANTIGONISH,    NS,
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>
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> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu on behalf of Kemmer Anderson
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> Subject: [Milton-L] Sophocles and Samson
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>
>> While sitting in Brian Hampton's class the at UT-Chattanooga,
>> listening to him read the opening speech of Samson, I heard the
>> voice from Ajax, a speech performed by 2 classes of students a few
>> hours before. Those "rousing motions" (SA, 1182) (Richard DuRocher's
>> 2005 paper) went off in my head. The "I am lament" (Ajax,468) speech
>> from Ajax, the despair of Samson echoed through my head.
>
> I just spent a whole period hammering out Samson's speech to my class
> who are performing and reading Ajax after reviewing his actions in
> the Iliad, comparing the Hebrew God with the Greek gods. At the end I
> said write a journal entry comparing the despair of Samson and Ajax.
> What I see now is the following: An essay comparing the despair of
> Samson, Ajax, and Philoctetes. Should I pursue the essay with my
> students? I hear the echo from the prison, the cave, or the tent.
> What do you all think?
>
> Jefferson at 16 and 17 filled his commonplace book with quotes from
> Samson Agonistes. Somehow this is the way of educating young  
> Americans.
>
> Thanks for stirring my wonder during the Miltonic musings at  
> Murfreesboro.
>
> Kemmer
>
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