Correction: [Milton-L] That old Star Trek quote

Mike Selby mikeselby at shaw.ca
Fri Jan 4 02:40:22 EST 2008


Except Bones wasn't Scottish.


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From: "Jameela Lares" <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>
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Subject: Correction: [Milton-L] That old Star Trek quote


> Sorry, I meant that the second Star Trek film was based on "Space Seed." 
> not
> vice versa.
>
> And I could have sworn that Bones said that line, not Scotty.
>
> Jameela
>
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>    Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:50:19 -0600
>    From: Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] That old Star Trek quote
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>
> Actually, the quote is from the TV episode "Space Seed," not from the 
> second
> Star Trek film on which it was based.
>
> Jameela
>
> Quoting Mike Selby <mikeselby at shaw.ca>:
>
>>
>> Of course I wasn't very clear.  I knew why it was said in the episode, 
>> but I
>> didn't know why Scots would be embarrased not knowing Milton.
>>
>> Now, Charles I makes perfect sense.  Huge Thanks!!
>>
>> --Mike:)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: walfred at udel.edu
>> Date: Thursday, January 3, 2008 6:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] That old Star Trek quote
>> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>>
>> >   Ah, I think I can finally answer one. In the Wrath
>> >   of Kahn, K  I believe Kahn asks Kirk if he ever read
>> >   Milton.  Kirk  quotes Milton's Lucifer "It's better
>> >   to rule in hell than serve in heaven."
>> >
>> >   I must give due credit to my husband on this one,
>> >   for full disclosure.
>> >
>> >   Also rusty on my history, but wasn't Charles I
>> >   battling the Scots?  I would think the Scottish
>> >   presbyters would have an alliance with England's
>> >   republicans.
>> >
>> > Michele D. Walfred, B.A.
>> > Sussex County 4-H
>> > University of Delaware
>> > 16483 County Seat Highway
>> > Georgetown, DE 19947
>> > (302) 856-2585 Ext. 550
>> > (302) 856-1845  Fax
>> >
>> >
>> >   ---- Original message ----
>> >
>> >     Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:44:04 -0700
>> >     From: Mike Selby <mikeselby at shaw.ca>
>> >     Subject: [Milton-L] That old Star Trek quote
>> >     To: John Milton Discussion List
>> >     <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> >
>> >     Just read Philip Pullman's student notes on P.L,
>> >     and for no good reason I had a memory of the old
>> >     Star Trek series where Scotty states "It's a shame
>> >     for a good Scotsman to admit it, but I'm not
>> > up on
>> >     Milton".
>> >
>> >     35 years later I still don't understand what he
>> >     meant by it.  Can anyone please help
>> > me?  Huge
>> >     thanks.
>> >
>> >     --Mike Selby
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     ----- Original Message -----
>> >     From: Jason Kerr <aelfric at gmail.com>
>> >     Date: Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:18 pm
>> >     Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: the wings again
>> >     To: John Milton Discussion List
>> >     <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>> >
>> >     > Thanks to Harold Skulsky for the clarification.
>> >     I love how on
>> >     > this list even
>> >     > a question with a fallacious premise can prompt
>> >     a learned and
>> >     > educationalresponse.
>> >     >
>> >     > Much appreciated,
>> >     > Jason A. Kerr
>> >     >
>> >     > On Jan 3, 2008 12:37 PM, Harold Skulsky
>> >     > <hskulsky at email.smith.edu> wrote:
>> >     >
>> >     > > "How did the Hebrew words 'seraphim' and
>> >     'cherubim' and so on
>> >     > come to be
>> >     > > linked to the Greek word "aggelos"?"
>> >     > >
>> >     > > The premise of the question is fallacious.
>> >     Heb. *saraph*
>> >     > (seraph) and
>> >     > > *ch'ruv* (cherub)* are routinely linked in
>> >     Rabbinic commentary
>> >     > with Heb.
>> >     > > *mal'ach* (messenger; one who is SENT).
>> >     Angelos* is simply the
>> >     > standard> koiné rendering (in LII and NT) of
>> >     *mal'ach*. (For
>> >     > 17th-c. scholarship,
>> >     > > see, e.g., John Lightfoot's *Horae Hebraicae
>> >     et Talmudicae*.)
>> >     > >
>> >     > > As the supreme bearer of the *eu-ANGEL-ion*
>> >     (Good News),
>> >     > Christ is,
>> >     > > literally and innocuously, the Father's
>> >     messenger or *angelos* or
>> >     > > *mesites* (go-between)--the evangelist par
>> >     excellence; the verb
>> >     > > *eu-ANGEL-isasthai* ("bear the Good News")
>> >     regularly describes his
>> >     > > agency, as in his own announcement that "I
>> >     must preach
>> >     > > [*euangelisasthai*] the kingdom of God .
>> > . .
>> >     for therefore am
>> >     > I SENT."
>> >     > > The koiné for "SENT," by the way, is the root
>> >     of "apostolos";
>> >     > Christ is,
>> >     > > quite literally, an apostle of the
>> >     Father--again literally and
>> >     > > innocuously. (Cf. also Eph. 2:17.)
>> >     > >
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>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     >
>> >     > --
>> >     > The purpose of poetry is to remind us
>> >     > how difficult it is to remain just one person,
>> >     > for our house is open, there are no keys in the
>> >     doors,
>> >     > and invisible guests come in and out at will.
>> >     >
>> >
>> > >           -Czeslaw
>> >     > Milosz, from "Ars Poetica?"
>> >     >
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