[Milton-L] That old Star Trek quote

Jameela Lares Jameela.Lares at usm.edu
Thu Jan 3 21:50:19 EST 2008


Actually, the quote is from the TV episode "Space Seed," not from the second
Star Trek film on which it was based.

Jameela

Quoting Mike Selby <mikeselby at shaw.ca>:

>
> Of course I wasn't very clear.  I knew why it was said in the episode, but I
> didn't know why Scots would be embarrased not knowing Milton.
>
> Now, Charles I makes perfect sense.  Huge Thanks!!
>
> --Mike:)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: walfred at udel.edu
> Date: Thursday, January 3, 2008 6:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] That old Star Trek quote
> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
>
> >   Ah, I think I can finally answer one. In the Wrath
> >   of Kahn, K  I believe Kahn asks Kirk if he ever read
> >   Milton.  Kirk  quotes Milton's Lucifer "It's better
> >   to rule in hell than serve in heaven."
> >
> >   I must give due credit to my husband on this one,
> >   for full disclosure.
> >
> >   Also rusty on my history, but wasn't Charles I
> >   battling the Scots?  I would think the Scottish
> >   presbyters would have an alliance with England's
> >   republicans.
> >
> > Michele D. Walfred, B.A.
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> >
> >   ---- Original message ----
> >
> >     Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 17:44:04 -0700
> >     From: Mike Selby <mikeselby at shaw.ca>
> >     Subject: [Milton-L] That old Star Trek quote
> >     To: John Milton Discussion List
> >     <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> >
> >     Just read Philip Pullman's student notes on P.L,
> >     and for no good reason I had a memory of the old
> >     Star Trek series where Scotty states "It's a shame
> >     for a good Scotsman to admit it, but I'm not
> > up on
> >     Milton".
> >
> >     35 years later I still don't understand what he
> >     meant by it.  Can anyone please help
> > me?  Huge
> >     thanks.
> >
> >     --Mike Selby
> >
> >
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Jason Kerr <aelfric at gmail.com>
> >     Date: Thursday, January 3, 2008 3:18 pm
> >     Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: the wings again
> >     To: John Milton Discussion List
> >     <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> >
> >     > Thanks to Harold Skulsky for the clarification.
> >     I love how on
> >     > this list even
> >     > a question with a fallacious premise can prompt
> >     a learned and
> >     > educationalresponse.
> >     >
> >     > Much appreciated,
> >     > Jason A. Kerr
> >     >
> >     > On Jan 3, 2008 12:37 PM, Harold Skulsky
> >     > <hskulsky at email.smith.edu> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > > "How did the Hebrew words 'seraphim' and
> >     'cherubim' and so on
> >     > come to be
> >     > > linked to the Greek word "aggelos"?"
> >     > >
> >     > > The premise of the question is fallacious.
> >     Heb. *saraph*
> >     > (seraph) and
> >     > > *ch'ruv* (cherub)* are routinely linked in
> >     Rabbinic commentary
> >     > with Heb.
> >     > > *mal'ach* (messenger; one who is SENT).
> >     Angelos* is simply the
> >     > standard> koiné rendering (in LII and NT) of
> >     *mal'ach*. (For
> >     > 17th-c. scholarship,
> >     > > see, e.g., John Lightfoot's *Horae Hebraicae
> >     et Talmudicae*.)
> >     > >
> >     > > As the supreme bearer of the *eu-ANGEL-ion*
> >     (Good News),
> >     > Christ is,
> >     > > literally and innocuously, the Father's
> >     messenger or *angelos* or
> >     > > *mesites* (go-between)--the evangelist par
> >     excellence; the verb
> >     > > *eu-ANGEL-isasthai* ("bear the Good News")
> >     regularly describes his
> >     > > agency, as in his own announcement that "I
> >     must preach
> >     > > [*euangelisasthai*] the kingdom of God .
> > . .
> >     for therefore am
> >     > I SENT."
> >     > > The koiné for "SENT," by the way, is the root
> >     of "apostolos";
> >     > Christ is,
> >     > > quite literally, an apostle of the
> >     Father--again literally and
> >     > > innocuously. (Cf. also Eph. 2:17.)
> >     > >
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> >     >
> >     >
> >     > --
> >     > The purpose of poetry is to remind us
> >     > how difficult it is to remain just one person,
> >     > for our house is open, there are no keys in the
> >     doors,
> >     > and invisible guests come in and out at will.
> >     >
> >
> > >           —Czeslaw
> >     > Milosz, from "Ars Poetica?"
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Jameela Lares, Ph.D.
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