[Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner (was two small queries)

Ng, Su Fang ngsf at ou.edu
Mon Dec 8 10:03:35 EST 2008


Dear Jameela,

Would you please reserve a seat for me for the dinner?  I will pay with a check at MLA.  Thank you.

Best,
Su Fang


Su Fang Ng
Associate Professor
Department of English
760 Van Vleet Oval, Rm. 113
University of Oklahoma
Norman, OK 73019-0240
Tel. 405-325-5100
Fax. 405-325-0831
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From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Jameela Lares [Jameela.Lares at usm.edu]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:36 AM
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Subject: RE: [Milton-L] Milton Society of America dinner (was two small queries)

Thanks, Margaret.  Now that the cat is usefully out of the bag, I will remind list members that the annual dinner meeting of the Milton Society of America will take place during the MLA convention in San Francisco, on December 28, 2008, at the Sir Francis Drake Hotel, 450 Powell Street, San Francisco.  This is our 60th anniversary celebration and promises to be a lively gathering.  The social hour begins at 6 p.m. and the dinner at 7 p.m. Tickets are $55.00 and can be paid at the door but must be reserved in advance, so if others of you are interested in attending, please let me hear from you at your earliest convenience.

Those planning to attend, btw, might want to make a note of the time and location in their MLA bulletins, as--er, um--I somehow missed the deadline for getting it listed there.  I hope that confession is good for the academic soul.

Jameela Lares
Professor of English
The U. of So. Mississippi
118 College Drive, #5037
Hattiesburg, MS 39406-0001
601 266-6214 ofc
601 266-5757 fax


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>From Arnold, Margaret <mjarnold at ku.edu>
Sent Thu 12/4/2008 9:30 AM
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Subject RE: [Milton-L] two small queries


Sorry to use the list for Milton dinner reservations, but I do not recall receiving an announcement.  Please reserve two places for my husband and me.  Many thanks.

Margaret Arnold
mjarnold at ku.edu<mailto:mjarnold at ku.edu>

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From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu<mailto:milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu> on behalf of labriola at duq.edu<mailto:labriola at duq.edu>
Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [Milton-L] two small queries



Dear Jameela,

Two inquiries:

1.  Any further news on awards recipient at the MSA, whether they will
attend?

2.  How may dinner reservations do we have so far?

Thanx.

AL

> Gregory said and 12/2/08, "For my students this semester, the nature of
> Adam and Eve's knowledge of what Jameela Lar[e]s calls the
> "less-than-perfect" (and that I'll call, in a word, evil) became a topic
> of intense concern."
>
> Just for the record, I really was talking about "less than perfect" rather
> than "evil," since I was referring to "irksome."  I appreciate your
> linguistic placeholder idea, but I will again reiterate my concern that
> modern thinking has tended to strip Paradise of all its prelapsarian depth
> and ambiguity by making anything interesting or different into "evil" that
> can only be known after Adam and Eve disobey.  We like roller coaster
> rides because they are perilous but ultimately safe, not because we won't
> be really aware until they crash.
>
> Jameela Lares
> Professor of English
> The U. of So. Mississippi
> 118 College Drive, #5037
> Hattiesburg, MS 39406-0001
> 601 266-6214 ofc
> 601 266-5757 fax
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From Gregory Machacek <Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu<mailto:Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu>>
> Sent Tue 12/2/2008 10:41 AM
> To John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu<mailto:milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>>
> Subject Re: [Milton-L] two small queries
>
> Dear Miklos,
>
> For my students this semester, the nature of Adam and Eve's knowledge of
> what Jameela Lars calls the "less-than-perfect" (and that I'll call, in a
> word, evil) became a topic of intense concern.  My students began with the
> assumption that one can only truly know one thing by knowing its opposite.
> (So God is at fault because Adam and Eve can't really know the good they
> have until they try evil, etc.)  But we spent a lot of time reflecting on
> the implications of Adam's comment "whate'er death is, / Some dreadful
> thing no doubt," which seemed to us to suggest that, for Milton, there
> *is*
> a degree and kind of knowledge that one can have about one term in a
> binary, even if one only has direct experience of the other term.  Our
> thought experiment was to consider the question "What is the opposite of
> wind?"  Well, there's no one thing, but presumably, whatever it would be,
> it would be static (rather than in motion), visible (rather than
> invisible), etc.  One can get a general sense (Adam's "some dreadful
> thing,
> no doubt) about one term in an opposition by reasoning from other terms.
>
> I take it Adam's "irksome" and "toilsome," work this way.  They are
> provisional linguistic placeholders, essentially carrying the meaning of
> "the-no-doubt-unpleasant-opposite-of-sweet."
>
> Be well,
>
> Greg Machacek
> Professor of English
> Marist College
>
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