[Milton-L] two small queries

Arnold, Margaret mjarnold at ku.edu
Thu Dec 4 10:30:13 EST 2008


Sorry to use the list for Milton dinner reservations, but I do not recall receiving an announcement.  Please reserve two places for my husband and me.  Many thanks.
 
Margaret Arnold
mjarnold at ku.edu

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Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 5:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [Milton-L] two small queries



Dear Jameela,

Two inquiries:

1.  Any further news on awards recipient at the MSA, whether they will
attend?

2.  How may dinner reservations do we have so far?

Thanx.

AL

> Gregory said and 12/2/08, "For my students this semester, the nature of
> Adam and Eve's knowledge of what Jameela Lar[e]s calls the
> "less-than-perfect" (and that I'll call, in a word, evil) became a topic
> of intense concern."
>
> Just for the record, I really was talking about "less than perfect" rather
> than "evil," since I was referring to "irksome."  I appreciate your
> linguistic placeholder idea, but I will again reiterate my concern that
> modern thinking has tended to strip Paradise of all its prelapsarian depth
> and ambiguity by making anything interesting or different into "evil" that
> can only be known after Adam and Eve disobey.  We like roller coaster
> rides because they are perilous but ultimately safe, not because we won't
> be really aware until they crash.
>
> Jameela Lares
> Professor of English
> The U. of So. Mississippi
> 118 College Drive, #5037
> Hattiesburg, MS 39406-0001
> 601 266-6214 ofc
> 601 266-5757 fax
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From Gregory Machacek <Gregory.Machacek at marist.edu>
> Sent Tue 12/2/2008 10:41 AM
> To John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Subject Re: [Milton-L] two small queries
>
> Dear Miklos,
>
> For my students this semester, the nature of Adam and Eve's knowledge of
> what Jameela Lars calls the "less-than-perfect" (and that I'll call, in a
> word, evil) became a topic of intense concern.  My students began with the
> assumption that one can only truly know one thing by knowing its opposite.
> (So God is at fault because Adam and Eve can't really know the good they
> have until they try evil, etc.)  But we spent a lot of time reflecting on
> the implications of Adam's comment "whate'er death is, / Some dreadful
> thing no doubt," which seemed to us to suggest that, for Milton, there
> *is*
> a degree and kind of knowledge that one can have about one term in a
> binary, even if one only has direct experience of the other term.  Our
> thought experiment was to consider the question "What is the opposite of
> wind?"  Well, there's no one thing, but presumably, whatever it would be,
> it would be static (rather than in motion), visible (rather than
> invisible), etc.  One can get a general sense (Adam's "some dreadful
> thing,
> no doubt) about one term in an opposition by reasoning from other terms.
>
> I take it Adam's "irksome" and "toilsome," work this way.  They are
> provisional linguistic placeholders, essentially carrying the meaning of
> "the-no-doubt-unpleasant-opposite-of-sweet."
>
> Be well,
>
> Greg Machacek
> Professor of English
> Marist College
>
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