[Milton-L] swerving

Cristine Soliz csoliz at csoliz.com
Sun Sep 23 22:58:14 EDT 2007

Maybe don't swerve cavalierly but "cautiously?" - as when in a boat or car
if you swerve the obstacles incautiously you could capsize or turn over (as
in some SUV's)

My two cents--
Cristine Soliz
PhD in Comparative Literature
Faculty in English, Diné College
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> From: <jfleming at sfu.ca>
> Reply-To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:32:32 -0700
> To: <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Subject: [Milton-L] swerving
> But the instruction isn't just "don't be too secure." It's "don't swerve too
> securely." My question is: what is secure swerving? Further: what is
> _excessively_ secure swerving? Finally: is controlled oscillation (swerving
> securely, but not too securely), or uncontrolled oscillation (swerving kurz,
> w/out the presumption of security) being implied as normative for Adam's
> unfallen freedom?
> JD Fleming
> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:38:43 +0000 milton-l at lists.richmond.edu wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> If I might throw in my mite. God's lines to Raphael, "whence warne
>> him to beware / He swerve not too secure" (5.237-38), make better
>> sense, I think, when seen against the Latin word se-curus, meaning
>> "apart" or "free from care", "untroubled", "easy".  Although we don't
>> expect to find care or trouble in prelapsarian Eden, God seems to be
>> asking Raphael to teach Adam the virtue of caution, to be on his guard
>> against the enemy, and to remember at all times that he is both free
>> to fall and sufficient to stand. 
>> The virtue of caution, God's caveat to be sent to Adam via Raphael, is
>> the operative word here, since the iussive caveat means "let him
>> beware", and we find God commissioning Raphael to "warne [Adam] to
>> beware" not to be too secure or free from care.  As Professor
>> Flannagan points out, Milton uses "secure" in this Latinate way elsewhere.
>> Russell Hillier
>>> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:51:49 -0400> From: roy at gwm.sc.edu> To:
>> milton-l at lists.richmond.edu> Subject: {SpamScore: ssss} Re: [Milton-L]
>> Perspectivism and Chaos> > James Fleming asks, "I have always loved
>> God's instruction to Raphael:> 'Whence warn him> [Adam] to beware he
>> swerve not too secure.' What the heck does that> mean,> anyway?" I may
>> be wrong, but I hear an echo of the De Doctrina's> "liability to fall"
>> (quoted from memory). Or, more specifically,> Samson's "Proudly
>> secure, but liable to fall" (55).> > Roy Flannagan>
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