[Milton-L] Re: Milton-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 30

Katie Calloway lelbc43 at interchange.ubc.ca
Wed Sep 19 16:52:22 EDT 2007


Hi, Valerie,

I'm curious--what's the topic of your dissertation?  

In case you're wondering why the random question, I'm currently looking at science in seventeenth-century England under Dennis Danielson's supervision, and I'd be interested to know what you're turning up.

Katie Calloway


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> Date: Wed Sep 19 11:21:13 PDT 2007
> From: "Valerie Cullen" <vacullen at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Milton-L] Re: Milton-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 30
> To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
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> I am a graduate student at UCLA writing my dissertation on *Paradise Lost *(I
> am filing it in June), and I've found that a useful book for an introduction
> to Milton's idea of science/cosmos is Harinder Singh Marjara's *Contemplation
> of Created Things: Science in Paradise Lost *(1992).  Of course, Dennis
> Danielson is a terrific source on this, too.
> Best,
> Valerie Cullen
> 
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> >   1. RE: online diagrams of Milton's cosmos? (Horace Jeffery Hodges)
> >   2. Re: online diagrams of Milton's cosmos? (Michael Gillum)
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> > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:38:59 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Horace Jeffery Hodges <jefferyhodges at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Milton-L] online diagrams of Milton's cosmos?
> > To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
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> > Thanks, Caroline, for providing me with blogging material this morning
> > (Seoul Time):
> >
> > http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2007/09/miltons-cosmos.html
> >
> > While I love sketches of this sort, I wonder how accurate it is. As Dennis
> > Danielson remarked concerning the term "Cosmos":
> > [T]hat whole cosmos ("this pendent world") is an almost indiscernibly
> > small point of light when viewed from far out on the fringes of Chaos. Thus
> > we need some word more encompassing than "cosmos" to describe Milton's
> > heaven, hell, chaos, and (relatively speaking) tiny cosmos.I agree. The
> > image above is far more than the 'cosmos'. Moreover, it makes everything
> > look rather 'round', whereas Milton seems to depict something indescribable
> > by any limited three-dimensional shape. Chaos, for instance, would seem to
> > extend indefinitely down, as suggested here in PL 2.890-897, where Satan,
> > Sin, and Death first glimpse chaos:   Before thir eyes in sudden view appear
> > [890]
> > The secrets of the hoarie deep, a dark
> > Illimitable Ocean without bound,
> > Without dimension, where length, breadth, & highth,
> > And time and place are lost; where eldest Night
> > And Chaos, Ancestors of Nature, hold [895]
> > Eternal Anarchie, amidst the noise
> > Of endless Warrs, and by confusion stand. (PL 2.890-897)Chaos would seem
> > to extend far below the region of hell, for after Satan finally steels
> > himself to brave the dangers of chaos and leaps into the abyss, he soon
> > finds himself plummeting downward:   ...At last his Sail-broad Vannes
> > He spreads for flight, and in the surging smoak
> > Uplifted spurns the ground, thence many a League
> > As in a cloudy Chair ascending rides [ 930 ]
> > Audacious, but that seat soon failing, meets
> > A vast vacuitie: all unawares
> > Fluttring his pennons vain plumb down he drops
> > Ten thousand fadom deep, and to this hour
> > Down had been falling, had not by ill chance [ 935 ]
> > The strong rebuff of som tumultuous cloud
> > Instinct with Fire and Nitre hurried him
> > As many miles aloft: (PL 2.927-938)  A "league" is about three miles, and
> > a "fathom" is about six feet. We don't know how many leagues Satan ascended,
> > but his fall was precipitous, dropping him some 60,000 feet instantly, it
> > would seem, and he would have been plummeting still if not for the "ill
> > chance" of being lifted by some 'flatulence' from deep within chaos.
> >
> > Jeffery Hodges
> >
> > "Hunt, Caroline C." <HuntC at cofc.edu> wrote:
> > One of the Hughes diagrams is online here:
> >
> > http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~felluga/cosmos.html
> >
> > Caroline Hunt
> > Charleston, SC
> >
> > ________________________________
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> > From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu on behalf of Russell Hillier
> > Sent: Tue 9/18/2007 10:45 AM
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> > Subject: RE: [Milton-L] online diagrams of Milton's cosmos?
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> >
> > Dear Tim,
> >
> > There is a useful sketch (not online I'm afraid) in Merritt Hughes's
> > edition of Milton's Complete Poems and Major Prose, on page 180 of my 1957
> > edition (New York: Odyssey Press). This may be available online as well.
> > Hope that this helps.
> >
> > Best, Russell
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> > Ph.D., History, U.C. Berkeley
> > (Doctoral Thesis: "Food as Synecdoche in John's Gospel and Gnostic Texts")
> > M.A., History of Science, U.C. Berkeley
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> > Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:31:02 -0400
> > From: Michael Gillum <mgillum at unca.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Milton-L] online diagrams of Milton's cosmos?
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> > Milton of course refers to the ?pendant World? also as ?Heaven and Earth?
> > (as opposed to the Empyrean Heaven). The whole shebang is hard to name,
> > sort
> > of a multiverse. I agree that the spherical Chaos in the diagram seems too
> > tidy, and, like Jeffery I think of Hell as inside it rather than under it.
> > The territory of Hell could be spherical like Earth or disc-shaped as a
> > parody of Heaven. It could be enclosed in brass spheres or hemispheres.
> > Seems like it is out of scale in the diagram? it should be no larger than
> > Heaven-and-Earth or perhaps much smaller. There is no need for vast spaces
> > to inspire awe in the fallen.
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