[Milton-L] Re: Milton-L Digest, Vol 10, Issue 30

Valerie Cullen vacullen at gmail.com
Wed Sep 19 14:21:13 EDT 2007


I am a graduate student at UCLA writing my dissertation on *Paradise Lost *(I
am filing it in June), and I've found that a useful book for an introduction
to Milton's idea of science/cosmos is Harinder Singh Marjara's *Contemplation
of Created Things: Science in Paradise Lost *(1992).  Of course, Dennis
Danielson is a terrific source on this, too.
Best,
Valerie Cullen



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>   1. RE: online diagrams of Milton's cosmos? (Horace Jeffery Hodges)
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> From: Horace Jeffery Hodges <jefferyhodges at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [Milton-L] online diagrams of Milton's cosmos?
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> Thanks, Caroline, for providing me with blogging material this morning
> (Seoul Time):
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> http://gypsyscholarship.blogspot.com/2007/09/miltons-cosmos.html
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> While I love sketches of this sort, I wonder how accurate it is. As Dennis
> Danielson remarked concerning the term "Cosmos":
> [T]hat whole cosmos ("this pendent world") is an almost indiscernibly
> small point of light when viewed from far out on the fringes of Chaos. Thus
> we need some word more encompassing than "cosmos" to describe Milton's
> heaven, hell, chaos, and (relatively speaking) tiny cosmos.I agree. The
> image above is far more than the 'cosmos'. Moreover, it makes everything
> look rather 'round', whereas Milton seems to depict something indescribable
> by any limited three-dimensional shape. Chaos, for instance, would seem to
> extend indefinitely down, as suggested here in PL 2.890-897, where Satan,
> Sin, and Death first glimpse chaos:   Before thir eyes in sudden view appear
> [890]
> The secrets of the hoarie deep, a dark
> Illimitable Ocean without bound,
> Without dimension, where length, breadth, & highth,
> And time and place are lost; where eldest Night
> And Chaos, Ancestors of Nature, hold [895]
> Eternal Anarchie, amidst the noise
> Of endless Warrs, and by confusion stand. (PL 2.890-897)Chaos would seem
> to extend far below the region of hell, for after Satan finally steels
> himself to brave the dangers of chaos and leaps into the abyss, he soon
> finds himself plummeting downward:   ...At last his Sail-broad Vannes
> He spreads for flight, and in the surging smoak
> Uplifted spurns the ground, thence many a League
> As in a cloudy Chair ascending rides [ 930 ]
> Audacious, but that seat soon failing, meets
> A vast vacuitie: all unawares
> Fluttring his pennons vain plumb down he drops
> Ten thousand fadom deep, and to this hour
> Down had been falling, had not by ill chance [ 935 ]
> The strong rebuff of som tumultuous cloud
> Instinct with Fire and Nitre hurried him
> As many miles aloft: (PL 2.927-938)  A "league" is about three miles, and
> a "fathom" is about six feet. We don't know how many leagues Satan ascended,
> but his fall was precipitous, dropping him some 60,000 feet instantly, it
> would seem, and he would have been plummeting still if not for the "ill
> chance" of being lifted by some 'flatulence' from deep within chaos.
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> Jeffery Hodges
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> "Hunt, Caroline C." <HuntC at cofc.edu> wrote:
> One of the Hughes diagrams is online here:
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> http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~felluga/cosmos.html
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> Caroline Hunt
> Charleston, SC
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> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu on behalf of Russell Hillier
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> Subject: RE: [Milton-L] online diagrams of Milton's cosmos?
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> Dear Tim,
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> There is a useful sketch (not online I'm afraid) in Merritt Hughes's
> edition of Milton's Complete Poems and Major Prose, on page 180 of my 1957
> edition (New York: Odyssey Press). This may be available online as well.
> Hope that this helps.
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> Best, Russell
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> From: Michael Gillum <mgillum at unca.edu>
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> Milton of course refers to the ³pendant World² also as ³Heaven and Earth²
> (as opposed to the Empyrean Heaven). The whole shebang is hard to name,
> sort
> of a multiverse. I agree that the spherical Chaos in the diagram seems too
> tidy, and, like Jeffery I think of Hell as inside it rather than under it.
> The territory of Hell could be spherical like Earth or disc-shaped as a
> parody of Heaven. It could be enclosed in brass spheres or hemispheres.
> Seems like it is out of scale in the diagram‹ it should be no larger than
> Heaven-and-Earth or perhaps much smaller. There is no need for vast spaces
> to inspire awe in the fallen.
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