[Milton-L] Postscript

James Rovira jamesrovira at gmail.com
Thu Apr 19 13:08:56 EDT 2007

I don't think that's completely factual, Carrol.  The man was already
brought in for psychiatric evaulation for fears of attempted suicide
and the police were brought in on him at least twice for stalking
female students.  There are not literally tens of thousands of
students like this.  If you encounter one or two every three or four
years you'd be "lucky."

The problem the mental health community has with these types of issues
is that it's not covered by insurance.  So they watch people like this
for three days, give them meds (which is all they really know how to
do -- long term counseling isn't an option here), then turn them

It probably is true that we can't predict which people who fit even
this limited description will become killers, though.  We need better
profiling.  Even then, it'll be hit and miss.

No one's talking about expulsion from the college, permanent records
on transcripts, etc.  Only about a psychological evaluation.  They can
be given the option of going through the eval or dropping out.  I bet
most opt to drop out.

Jim R

On 4/19/07, Carrol Cox <cbcox at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> Carol Barton wrote:
> >
> >
> > At no point did I advocate excluding anyone who was merely troubled or sad or even angry about the state of the world from being able to get an education (or a job): I said that students who had exhibited *aberrant* behavior (that is, strikingly abnormal, as this young man at Blacksburg did, and as several of the students I have encountered in my own classrooms have) should be denied admission unless psychological/psychiatric evaluation determined them to be no danger to themselves, or to others--and be given whatever treatment was appropriate, if it didn't.
> No. No. No. This is totally unacceptable.
> There are probably _thousands_, perhaps even 10s of thousands, of young
> men and women in the united states who are _every bit_ as "strikingly
> abnormal" as this young man but who will NEVER hurt anyone, who in fact,
> with or without therapy, will go on to live legitimate lives.
> And there is _NO_ "psychological/psychiatric evaluation" that can
> predict _which_ of those "strikingly abnormal"  young people will commit
> crimes and which will be useful members of the community. Repeat: The
> kind of prediction you ask for is not within the capacity of current
> psychiatric knowledge, and any psychiatrist or psychologist who made
> such a claim would, quite frankly, be professionally incompetent.
> What you advocate is precisely what you claim not to advocate.
> Carrol

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