[Milton-L] "A Work in Praise of Terrorism?"

Derek Wood dwood at stfx.ca
Fri May 5 17:58:46 EDT 2006


First, :

            "A Work in Praise of Terrorism?September 11 and Sampson
Agonistes" TLS 6 Sept. 2002. I'll  try to scan my copy; the pages are a
funny size. I know it's online. I'll check location. Derek Wood.

 

Derek N.C. Wood,

Senior Research Professor,

St. Francis Xavier University,

Antigonish, Nova Scotia,

Canada, B2G 2W5.

Phone: 902-867-2328.

http://www.stfx.ca/people/dwood/Welcome.html

 

[*NB. New webpage address]

-----Original Message-----
From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
[mailto:milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Dubery
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:15 AM
To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
Subject: [Milton-L] "A Work in Praise of Terrorism?"

 

Hi, a clear abuse of the milton digest, but my sad excuse for a library
doesn't stock back issues of the TLS. I would be very happy if someone
could either

 

a) tell me where John Carey's article  about Samson Agonistes, enititled
"A Work in Praise of Terrorism?" is available online, for free

 

b) persuade me to sell my record collection in order to subscribe to the
TLS, 

 

c) send me the article

 

With thanks,

 

Chris 

 


 

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Message: 1 
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:00:55 -0500
From: shaw at ulm.edu
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My favorite student blooper regarding Milton occurred almost a decade
ago in a sophomore World Lit class:

     "Dante was a Catholic.  In contrast, Milton was a Christian."

Oh the joys of teaching in the Bible belt! 

Best,
Julia Guernsey-Shaw

Quoting gilliaca at jmu.edu:

>
>>  Milton's theory works as a  valid
>>   explanation for why he chose to write Paradise Lost. 
>>   Have a great end-of-semester everyone!
>>
>  That's a keeper! Thanks for sharing - we all need a good
> hoot at the end of the term!
>
>
> C
> Cynthia A. Gilliatt 
> English Department, JMU
> JMU Safe Zones participant
> "You have made God in your own image when God hates the same people
> you hate." Fr. John Weston
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:21:32 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Milton-L] I had to share this
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>My favorite student blooper regarding Milton occurred almost
a decade
>ago in a sophomore World Lit class: 
>
>      "Dante was a Catholic.  In contrast, Milton was a
Christian."
>
>Oh the joys of teaching in the Bible belt!

Yes indeed. Some years ago I taught an honors seminar in
which we read the Aeneid, the Divine Comedy, and Paradise
Lost. One of my students complained that when we left 'that
pagan' [Vergil] we went to a heretic [Dante]. Boy was she
surprised at some of the things she found in PL! 

C
Cynthia A. Gilliatt
English Department, JMU
JMU Safe Zones participant
"You have made God in your own image when God hates the same people you
hate." Fr. John Weston

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:15:30 -0400
From: Jeffrey Shoulson <jshoulson at miami.edu>
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] I had to share this
To: John Milton Discussion List < milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
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Let's not forget, however, that this misidentification of Dante and
other Catholics as something other than Christian was very much at
the heart of English Protestantism during Milton's time and that 
Milton was not above such an assertion.  See, for instance, the
famous autobiographical introduction to the second book of The Reason
of Church Government:
"That what the greatest and choycest wits of Athens, Rome, or modern 
Italy, and those Hebrews of old did for their country, I in my
proportion with this over and above of being a Christian, might doe
for mine: not caring to be once nam'd abroad, though perhaps I could
attaine to that, but content with these British Ilands as my world, 
whose fortune hath hitherto bin, that if the Athenians, as some say,
made their small deeds great and renowned by their eloquent writers,
England hath had her noble atchievments made small by the unskilfull
handling of monks and mechanicks." 
Notice how the modern Italians are classified with the Ancient Greeks
and Romans, i.e., the non-Christians.
Now the students in question may not have been alluding to this in
their own assertions, but their innocent misstatements can be used as 
helpful teaching moments!
Jeffrey Shoulson

Jeffrey S. Shoulson, Ph. D.
Associate Professor of English
Director, George Feldenkreis Program in Judaic Studies (ON LEAVE, AY
05-06)
Fellow, Sue and Leonard Miller Center for Contemporary Judaic Studies 
University of Miami
5202 University Drive
Merrick 105
Coral Gables, FL 33146

(o) 305-284-8180
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On May 1, 2006, at 12:21 PM, <gilliaca at jmu.edu> wrote:

>
>> My favorite student blooper regarding Milton occurred almost 
> a decade
>> ago in a sophomore World Lit class:
>>
>>      "Dante was a Catholic.  In contrast, Milton was a
> Christian."
>>
>> Oh the joys of teaching in the Bible belt! 
>
> Yes indeed. Some years ago I taught an honors seminar in
> which we read the Aeneid, the Divine Comedy, and Paradise
> Lost. One of my students complained that when we left 'that
> pagan' [Vergil] we went to a heretic [Dante]. Boy was she 
> surprised at some of the things she found in PL!
>
> C
> Cynthia A. Gilliatt
> English Department, JMU
> JMU Safe Zones participant
> "You have made God in your own image when God hates the same people 
> you hate." Fr. John Weston
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Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:34:00 -0400
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>   Now the students in question may not have been
>   alluding to this in their own assertions,

Not hardly, I'd say, having lived in these here parts for
nigh onto 35 years ...


but their
>   innocent misstatements can be used as helpful
>   teaching moments!

Indeed! That's a good reminder for us all. I think I just 
stared at my student, slack-jawed with wonder. "Obstipui," as
my feeble memory recals Aeneas saying - "I stood
thunderstruck!"

C
Cynthia A. Gilliatt
English Department, JMU
JMU Safe Zones participant 
"You have made God in your own image when God hates the same people you
hate." Fr. John Weston

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 13:52:17 -0400
From: John Leonard < jleonard at uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] I had to share this
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I had to share thisThis is indeed a gem, but is it really a "blooper"
(as some respondents have suggested)?  To my ears it sounds like a
deliberate witticism, and I find myself laughing with (not at) the
student who wrote it. 

John Leonard
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From: Margaret Thickstun
To: milton-l at richmond.edu
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:00 PM
Subject: [Milton-L] I had to share this 


>From a student paper:


Milton states, "it is my opinion that the power of eloquence is most
manifest when it deals with subjects which rouse no particular
enthusiasm" (Prolusion 7).  He believes one is truly seen as eloquent
when they can keep the attention of the audience on a subject that is
not necessarily interesting.  Milton's theory works as a  valid
explanation for why he chose to write Paradise Lost. 


Have a great end-of-semester everyone!
--
Margaret Thickstun
Elizabeth J. McCormack Professor of English
Hamilton College
198 College Hill Rd
Clinton, NY 13323
(315)859-4466


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Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:25:10 -0400
From: Margaret Thickstun < mthickst at hamilton.edu>
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John--if only it were a witticism, but the rest of the paragraph is 
quite earnest about the difficulties of taking Biblical stories,
which people usually study, and turning them into poetry, or
entertainment.  She is, at least, trying.
--
Margaret Thickstun
Elizabeth J. McCormack Professor of English 
Hamilton College
198 College Hill Rd
Clinton, NY 13323
(315)859-4466
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