[Milton-L] "A Work in Praise of Terrorism?"

Chris Dubery cdubery at googlemail.com
Thu May 4 15:14:46 EDT 2006


Hi, a clear abuse of the milton digest, but my sad excuse for a library
doesn't stock back issues of the TLS. I would be very happy if someone could
either

a) tell me where John Carey's article  about Samson Agonistes, enititled "A
Work in Praise of Terrorism?" is available online, for free

b) persuade me to sell my record collection in order to subscribe to the
TLS,

c) send me the article

With thanks,

Chris




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> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:00:55 -0500
> From: shaw at ulm.edu
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] I had to share this
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> My favorite student blooper regarding Milton occurred almost a decade
> ago in a sophomore World Lit class:
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>      "Dante was a Catholic.  In contrast, Milton was a Christian."
>
> Oh the joys of teaching in the Bible belt!
>
> Best,
> Julia Guernsey-Shaw
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> Quoting gilliaca at jmu.edu:
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> >
> >>  Milton's theory works as a  valid
> >>   explanation for why he chose to write Paradise Lost.
> >>   Have a great end-of-semester everyone!
> >>
> >  That's a keeper! Thanks for sharing - we all need a good
> > hoot at the end of the term!
> >
> >
> > C
> > Cynthia A. Gilliatt
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> > "You have made God in your own image when God hates the same people
> > you hate." Fr. John Weston
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> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:21:32 -0400
> From: <gilliaca at jmu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] I had to share this
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> >My favorite student blooper regarding Milton occurred almost
> a decade
> >ago in a sophomore World Lit class:
> >
> >      "Dante was a Catholic.  In contrast, Milton was a
> Christian."
> >
> >Oh the joys of teaching in the Bible belt!
>
> Yes indeed. Some years ago I taught an honors seminar in
> which we read the Aeneid, the Divine Comedy, and Paradise
> Lost. One of my students complained that when we left 'that
> pagan' [Vergil] we went to a heretic [Dante]. Boy was she
> surprised at some of the things she found in PL!
>
> C
> Cynthia A. Gilliatt
> English Department, JMU
> JMU Safe Zones participant
> "You have made God in your own image when God hates the same people you
> hate." Fr. John Weston
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:15:30 -0400
> From: Jeffrey Shoulson <jshoulson at miami.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] I had to share this
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> Let's not forget, however, that this misidentification of Dante and
> other Catholics as something other than Christian was very much at
> the heart of English Protestantism during Milton's time and that
> Milton was not above such an assertion.  See, for instance, the
> famous autobiographical introduction to the second book of The Reason
> of Church Government:
> "That what the greatest and choycest wits of Athens, Rome, or modern
> Italy, and those Hebrews of old did for their country, I in my
> proportion with this over and above of being a Christian, might doe
> for mine: not caring to be once nam'd abroad, though perhaps I could
> attaine to that, but content with these British Ilands as my world,
> whose fortune hath hitherto bin, that if the Athenians, as some say,
> made their small deeds great and renowned by their eloquent writers,
> England hath had her noble atchievments made small by the unskilfull
> handling of monks and mechanicks."
> Notice how the modern Italians are classified with the Ancient Greeks
> and Romans, i.e., the non-Christians.
> Now the students in question may not have been alluding to this in
> their own assertions, but their innocent misstatements can be used as
> helpful teaching moments!
> Jeffrey Shoulson
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> On May 1, 2006, at 12:21 PM, <gilliaca at jmu.edu> wrote:
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> >
> >> My favorite student blooper regarding Milton occurred almost
> > a decade
> >> ago in a sophomore World Lit class:
> >>
> >>      "Dante was a Catholic.  In contrast, Milton was a
> > Christian."
> >>
> >> Oh the joys of teaching in the Bible belt!
> >
> > Yes indeed. Some years ago I taught an honors seminar in
> > which we read the Aeneid, the Divine Comedy, and Paradise
> > Lost. One of my students complained that when we left 'that
> > pagan' [Vergil] we went to a heretic [Dante]. Boy was she
> > surprised at some of the things she found in PL!
> >
> > C
> > Cynthia A. Gilliatt
> > English Department, JMU
> > JMU Safe Zones participant
> > "You have made God in your own image when God hates the same people
> > you hate." Fr. John Weston
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> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:34:00 -0400
> From: <gilliaca at jmu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] I had to share this
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> >   Now the students in question may not have been
> >   alluding to this in their own assertions,
>
> Not hardly, I'd say, having lived in these here parts for
> nigh onto 35 years ...
>
>
> but their
> >   innocent misstatements can be used as helpful
> >   teaching moments!
>
> Indeed! That's a good reminder for us all. I think I just
> stared at my student, slack-jawed with wonder. "Obstipui," as
> my feeble memory recals Aeneas saying - "I stood
> thunderstruck!"
>
> C
> Cynthia A. Gilliatt
> English Department, JMU
> JMU Safe Zones participant
> "You have made God in your own image when God hates the same people you
> hate." Fr. John Weston
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 13:52:17 -0400
> From: John Leonard <jleonard at uwo.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] I had to share this
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> I had to share thisThis is indeed a gem, but is it really a "blooper" (as
> some respondents have suggested)?  To my ears it sounds like a deliberate
> witticism, and I find myself laughing with (not at) the student who wrote
> it.
>
> John Leonard
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> From: Margaret Thickstun
> To: milton-l at richmond.edu
> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:00 PM
> Subject: [Milton-L] I had to share this
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>
> From a student paper:
>
>
> Milton states, "it is my opinion that the power of eloquence is most
> manifest when it deals with subjects which rouse no particular enthusiasm"
> (Prolusion 7).  He believes one is truly seen as eloquent when they can keep
> the attention of the audience on a subject that is not necessarily
> interesting.  Milton's theory works as a  valid explanation for why he chose
> to write Paradise Lost.
>
>
> Have a great end-of-semester everyone!
> --
> Margaret Thickstun
> Elizabeth J. McCormack Professor of English
> Hamilton College
> 198 College Hill Rd
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> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:25:10 -0400
> From: Margaret Thickstun <mthickst at hamilton.edu>
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> John--if only it were a witticism, but the rest of the paragraph is
> quite earnest about the difficulties of taking Biblical stories,
> which people usually study, and turning them into poetry, or
> entertainment.  She is, at least, trying.
> --
> Margaret Thickstun
> Elizabeth J. McCormack Professor of English
> Hamilton College
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