[Milton-L] death in Eden.

James Rovira jrovira at drew.edu
Sun Nov 21 22:42:28 EST 2004

Interesting response.  DIsn't it possible to say they have as much to do 
with the actual world as do the worlds created within any other fiction, 
and believe they have a great deal to do with the actual world indeed?

The categories of "pre" and "post-lapsarian" pre-existed Milton and were 
viable constructs for interpreting the "actual" world for a long, long 
time. They still are, in fact, for many people.  It's probably best not 
to emphasize "of Paradise Lost" in the phrase, "the pre/post-lapsarian 
worlds of Paradise Lost" either -- since these concepts were in long 
circulation prior to the writing of Paradise Lost, they would serve the 
purpose of "anchors" to the "actual world" that exist in every piece of 
successful fiction every written, at least for Milton and his audience. 
  The book of Genesis is best read, in fact, as an attempt to account 
for the existence of the actual world, and the existence (and meaning) 
of the nation of Israel within it.

A little Buchler would go a long way here.


Carrol Cox wrote:
> Salwa Khoddam wrote:
>>Dear Douglas,
>>There is no death in Eden yet.  In Satan, yes because he has fallen.
>>Therefore, he sees death where no death exists yet.  Death exists in the
>>warped mind of Satan and through the imagery that Milton uses of our
>>postlapsarian world, we the readers.
> No, "we the readers" are _not_ in either a pre- or post-lapsarian world;
> we are in the actual world. Both the pre-lapsarian and post-lapsarian
> "worlds" of PL are fictional creations, and have as much (or as little)
> connection to the actual world as [do] the worlds created within any
> fiction.
> Carrol

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