[Milton-L] source

Duran, Angelica ADuran at sla.purdue.edu
Fri Jan 30 08:26:12 EST 2004

Hello, Norm Burns,

William Walwyn sounds very interesting.  I will keep him in mind -- and probably in my list of notes -- for history students in my classes to pursue.  I had the good fortune of taking a couple of classes from Paul Sever, whose wonderful _Wallington's World: A Puritan Artisan in the Seventeenth-century_ provides a sensitve and intriguing analysis of the expression of sorrow in diary form during the period -- Wallington was suicidal at various times. 

A Korean student in my class did not relate his comment -- a conjecture that Milton did not write about deeply intimate emotions in his early poems because those emotions were so powerful -- to his culture; but his comment reminded me of a discussion I had with a Korean woman I worked for in high school.  In my family, we hug and  say "I love you" frequently -- a practice common among Californian Chicano families -- and I noticed she was curious about our habit since I would often yell a goodbye "I love you" when my mother would drop me off to work. She said that in her culture -- I don't know if she meant Korean culture in general or a smaller sub-group -- saying "I love you" to a beloved indicates a low level of love.  The logic is that a strong love would prohibit the verbal expression of that love.  Emotionally, one would well up with love, rendering one unable to express the emotion, and, intellectually, one would recognize the insufficiency of the words to render the emotion.  I would have to look into sociological and psychological journals to see if her evaluation is supported by evidence and recurrent anecdotes; but I offer my anecdote to you and the list.


Angelica Duran
Assistant Professor
English Department
Purdue University
500 Oval Drive
West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-2048
(765) 496-3957, phone
(765) 494-3780, fax
<aduran at sla.purdue.edu>

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> Angelica--
>         I remember once being impressed by reading (I can't remember where) that the London merchant and Leveller intellectual William Walwyn was the father of (I believe) 20 children and outlived them all.  Walwyn was a bit of a challenge since he lived to be 80.  
>         The case of Walwyn serves to remind me of how difficult it is for us to imagine what it was like to live on when surrounded by the frequent deaths of family members--from parents to the stillborn and children, and the mothers and wives who so often died bearing them.  
>         And Boyd Berry does well in his post to remind us of the intimacy of those deaths in the family home.  I've never been satisfied that I have nearly got my mind around this everyday circumstance of early modern domestic life.
> --Norm Burns
> At 01:36 PM 1/29/04 -0500, you wrote: 
> 	Hello, Carol Barton, 
> 	While I am using the same syllabus as in previous years for my English 444: Milton course, each experience of teaching Milton is so very distinct.  I assign weekly reading microthemes and reading responses: and so many of the students wrote about very complex issues surrounding death and Milton's early poems, including the Hobson poems.  In the last class, dedicated primarily to "On the Death of a Fair Infant," we discussed the absence of poems on the deaths of his son, mother, and others, then the function of poetry as social catharsis, personal catharsis, etc. bringing in Ben Jonson's poems on the deaths of his son and daughter. I will use Frye to begin our next class meeting.
> 	Adios, 
> 	Angelica Duran 
> 	Assistant Professor 
> 	English Department 
> 	Purdue University 
> 	500 Oval Drive 
> 	West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-2048>  
> 	USA 
> 	(765) 496-3957, phone 
> 	(765) 494-3780, fax 
> 	<aduran at sla.purdue.edu> 
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