[Milton-L] Re: Books, documents and texts

Dan Knauss daniel.knauss at mu.edu
Mon Dec 13 23:59:14 EST 2004



Nelly is not atypical in his lyrics for working over a lot of sex/power
tropes that are quite common in the Renaissance. 

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> [mailto:milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Brad Irish
> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 6:08 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: Books, documents and texts
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> I'm curious: to those who are inclined to dismiss the poetic
> value of rap, how much time have you devoted to its study and 
> analysis?
> 
> Would you allow a student to similarily dismiss an entire
> genre--say, for 
> example, the 17th century lyric--after a comparable investigation?
> 
> > Very interesting post. Aesthetic categories are at bottom social 
> > categories. The exclusion of rap lyrics prima facie from
> the category of
> > poetry says a lot about what that category means in our
> society. We could
> > define it as what black youth aren't writing/listening to.
> >
> > To argue that rap lyrics ARE poetry would be to try to elevate and 
> > legitimize the form, and therefore to accept the basic
> aesthetic/social
> > stratification implied by the term in the first place.
> >
> > The list member goes on to cover up the real social content of her
> > idea by
> > citing formal criteria to justify it ("bad form," "limp 
> meters," "lazy
> > rhyming"). What's telling is the confidence with which
> these are applied
> > wholesale to an entire genre.
> >
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