[Milton-L] Re: Books, documents and texts

Dan Knauss daniel.knauss at mu.edu
Mon Dec 13 17:52:22 EST 2004



Your use of the category "black youth" is just as bad. 

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> Very interesting post. Aesthetic categories are at bottom
> social categories. The exclusion of rap lyrics prima facie 
> from the category of poetry says a lot about what that 
> category means in our society. We could define it as what 
> black youth aren't writing/listening to.
> 
> To argue that rap lyrics ARE poetry would be to try to
> elevate and legitimize the form, and therefore to accept the 
> basic aesthetic/social stratification implied by the term in 
> the first place.
> 
> The list member goes on to cover up the real social content
> of her idea by citing formal criteria to justify it ("bad 
> form," "limp meters," "lazy rhyming"). What's telling is the 
> confidence with which these are applied wholesale to an entire genre.
> 
> Alan H
> 
> 
> >I thought Angelica was referring to lyrics such as hip-hop
> and gangsta,
> >with their bad form. If limp meters and lazy rhyming weren't
> enough, most
> >of these don't go much beyond an imperfectly realized rant.
> If I'm wrong, I
> >apologize, but I've heard enough to tune them out completely. "Real" 
> >poetry, "good" poetry may rant too, but it says
> something in feeling
> >way.
> >
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