[Milton-L] Re: Books, documents and texts

James Rovira jrovira at drew.edu
Mon Dec 13 13:23:08 EST 2004


Very sorry...I meant, I wish I had examples of work being called poetry 
when it's really prose. 

Jim

jchevalier at austin.rr.com wrote:

>Much of Mos Def's, Tribe Called Quest's, and De La Soul's work come to
>mind. All definitely hip-hop, and the latter two early 90s hip-hop (when
>hip-hop was fun, Missy Elliott would say...).
>
>Cheers,
>Joi
>
>Original Message:
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>From: James Rovira jrovira at drew.edu
>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:50:08 -0500
>To: milton-l at lists.richmond.edu
>Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: Books, documents and texts
>
>
>See, I think hip-hop and gangsta can at least be called bad poetry 
>(though sometimes it's better than that).  Wish I had a few examples of 
>what I'm thinking about at hand...
>
>Jim
>
>Nancy Charlton wrote:
>
>  
>
>>At 09:22 AM 12/13/2004, Carrol Cox wrote:
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>"Duran, Angelica" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>on the other hand, "meaning" that is external to or prior
>>>>to language, as in much of contemporary writing that passes for
>>>>"poetry" is not poetry either.
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>I don't understand this at all. And there is at least one serious
>>>logical flaw in it: to contrast "poetry" and "writing that passes for
>>>'poetry'" is to dissolve the difference between "good poetry" and "bad
>>>poetry" into a mystic conception of "true poetry."
>>>
>>>Carrol
>>>
>>>Keep the X in Xmas
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>I thought Angelica was referring to lyrics such as hip-hop and 
>>gangsta, with their bad form. If limp meters and lazy rhyming weren't 
>>enough, most of these don't go much beyond an imperfectly realized 
>>rant. If I'm wrong, I apologize, but I've heard enough to tune them 
>>out completely.
>>"Real" poetry, "good" poetry may rant too, but it says something in 
>>feeling way.
>>
>>Yes, keep X is Xmas, X being Chi the initial of Christ. Personally, I 
>>think the only way to save Christmas is to abolish it: it should not 
>>be a legal holiday in the USA. If it were like Easter, widely observed 
>>by Christians but ignored by everyone else, it would be freed of 
>>political correctness and being sanitized into "Happy Holidays." 
>>Frankly, I don't think Frosty and Rudolph quite justify a national 
>>holiday!
>>
>>But would your congressman propose such a thing? Mine neither!
>>
>>Forgive the Miltonically-irrelevant rant, but be sure I won't be 
>>putting it into gangsta rap!
>>
>>Nancy Charlton
>>Jouez hautbois, resonnez musettes!
>>    
>>
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