[Milton-L] Milton and the education of women

Brendan Prawdzik brendanprawdzik at gmail.com
Fri Mar 12 14:08:53 EST 2010


How about Mary as an *educator* of her son, Jesus?  See Dayton Haskin,
*Milton's
Burden of Interpretation* (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press,
1995), pp. 118-46.

I would also recommend, if you have not consulted it already, Diane Kelsey
McColley, *Milton's Eve* (Urbana, IL and London: University of Illinois
Press, 1983).

Best,

Brendan M. Prawdzik

,

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Christopher Baker <
Christopher.Baker at armstrong.edu> wrote:

> Given the precedent of his own daughters, it seems that Milton had few
> objections to women being educated privately, especially perhaps by
> their own fathers. But did he oppose the formal education of women
> generally or merely ignore the topic?  Women don't figure prominently in
> "Of Education."  I would appreciate being directed to scholarship and
> comments on this topic; an MLA search under "Milton/education/women" has
> not turned up much.
> Thanks,
> Chris Baker
>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:27:17 +0100
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> Out of thy head I sprung.
>                       (PL II: 758)
>
> In RaphaelÆs detailed Report to Adam, Book 5, the chapter about the
> birth of Sin will be ômissingö.
> A very interesting omission. With some consequences.
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:32:57 -0600
> From: "Salwa Khoddam" <skhoddam at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] RE: Milton and London
> To: "John Milton Discussion List" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
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> You raise a very good point, Matt.  Is prelapsarian Eden an "imagined
> community"? Or does it become such after the fall? I think if there is
> any
> hierophany it was in prelapsarian Eden.  After the fall, God withdrew
> and it
> floated
>
>            Down the great River to the op'ning Gulf,
>            And there take root an Island salt and bare,
>            The haunt of Seals and Orcs, and Sea-Mews'clang.
>            To teach thee that God attributes to place
>            No sanctity, if none be thither brought
>            By Men who there frequent, or therein dwell.
>
> What a powerful example of Christian humanism!  I'm always amazed at
> Milton's accurate knowledge of geography.  However, Dubai in the
> Persian
> Gulf (home of postlapsarian Eden) is hardly "salt and bare" now.  But
> they
> have built "floating islands," so Milton is right again!
> Yes, I agree with you also that Milton believed that the commonwealth
> could
> model itself on the archetype of prelapsarian Eden, but only as an
> ideal
> that cannot ever be fulfilled on earth.
> Best Wishes,
> Salwa Khoddam
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
> From: "Matthew Geary" <MKG703 at bham.ac.uk>
> To: "John Milton Discussion List" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [Milton-L] RE: Milton and London
>
>
> > Thats what I thought Salwa. Maybe prelapsarian paradise is rather an
>
> > 'imagined community', Milton's ideal of the nation whose origin of
> > consciousness is in God. Therefore, in light
>  of the failure of the
> > Commonwealth, the fallen paradise is the fallen nation which
> excentuates
> > the need for reformation. As a consequence, of this failure however,
>
> > Milton instead turns to 'paradise within' as hierophany rather than
> any
> > geographical locus.
> >
> > wishes
> > Matt
> >
> > ________________________________________
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> > [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Salwa Khoddam
> > [skhoddam at cox.net]
> > Sent: 10 March 2010 03:55
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> > Subject: Re: [Milton-L] RE: Milton and London
> >
> > I'd like to take a shot at this,though I may be wrong.  "Hierophany"
> > suggests a place, an axis mundi, but from what I understand of
> Milton, no
> > physical place was sacred to him, which might be extended to include
>
> > cities.
> > The sacred center is the human heart.
> >
> > Salwa Khoddam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matthew Geary" <MKG703 at bham.ac.uk>
> > To: "John Milton Discussion List" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:17 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Milton-L] RE: Milton and London
> >
> >
> >> McLeod believes that in Paradise Lost Milton establishes
> prelapsarian
> >> paradise in conjunction with England 'happy rural seat' as the
> centre of
> >> the Protestant imperium. I was wondering if there is more
> specificity in
> >> delineating London as the point of hierophany (the sacred centre) in
> any
> >> of the tracts/prose/poetry etc...
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
> >> [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Jameela Lares
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> >> Sent: 09 March 2010 15:39
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> >> Subject: RE: [Milton-L] RE: Milton and London
> >>
> >> Er, I think you've decided what Matt means and then found fault with
> my
> >> reply for not living up to your interpretation.  Why don't we rather
> ask
> >> Matt to define his terms?
> >>
> >> Jameela Lares
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> >> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] RE: Milton and London
> >>
> >> I don't see much imperium in that one, Jameela. I do see an
> ecstatic
> >> fascination with learning and dialogue. JDF
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jameela Lares" <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>
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> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 5:44:14 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada
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> >> Subject: [Milton-L] RE: Milton and London
> >>
> >> "Behold now this vast City: a City of refuge, the mansion house of
> >> liberty, encompast and surrounded with his protection; the shop of
> warre
> >> hath not there more anvils and hammers waking, to fashion out the
> plates
> >> and instruments of armed Justice in defence of beleaguer'd Truth,
> then
> >> there be pens and heads there, sitting by their studious lamps,
> musing,
> >> searching, revolving new notions and idea's wherewith to present, as
> with
> >> their homage and their fealty the approaching Reformation: others as
> fast
> >> reading, trying all things, assenting to the force of reason and
> >> convincement." (Areopagitica)
> >>
> >> Jameela Lares
> >> Professor of English
> >> The University of Southern Mississippi
> >> 118 College Drive, #5037
> >> Hattiesburg, MS  39406-0001
> >> 601 266-4319 ofc
> >> 601 266-5757 fax
> >> ________________________________________
> >> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
> >> [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Geary
> >> [MKG703 at bham.ac.uk]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:01 AM
> >> To: John Milton Discussion List
> >> Subject: [Milton-L] Milton and London
> >>
> >> Just wondering if there are any ports of ca
> ll/tracts/prose
> regarding
> >> Milton's thoughts on London? Its position as sacred fulcrum in
> England as
> >> nation 'elect' for the Protestant imperium.
> >>
> >> Wishes
> >> Matt
> >>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:34:09 -0600
> From: "Salwa Khoddam" <skhoddam at cox.net>
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> What are the consequences, Dario?
> Salwa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dario Rivarossa" <dario.rivarossa at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 12:27 AM
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> Out of thy head I sprung.
>                       (PL II: 758)
>
> In RaphaelÆs detailed Report to Adam, Book 5, the chapter about the
> birth of Sin will be ômissingö.
> A very interesting omission. With some consequences.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:52:06 +0100
> From: Dario Rivarossa <dario.rivarossa at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Milton-L] prohi-BITS / X-Files
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> >What are the consequences, Dario?
>
> Dear Salwa
>
> well, it's no prepacked stuff, I just noticed the "strange case" and
> pointed it out, but it would be nice if the bloggers suggested their
> own  solutions  ---
>
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> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:28:39 +0000
> From: Kate Weiler <KXW715 at bham.ac.uk>
> Subject: [Milton-L] (no subject)
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> My name is Kate Weiler and I am an undergraduate student at the
> University of Birmingham. I am writing my dissertation on Milton's Maske
> at Ludlow, considering the adaptations and revisions of the work
> throughout the eighteenth, twentieth and twenty-first centuries. I am
> focusing predominantly on the stage versions as adpated by George Colman
> and John Dalton, the anniversary performance at Ludlow Castle in 1934
> and the poetry by Geoffrey Hill (2008) and John Kinsella's Dialogic
> Maske, Cambride University 2009.
> If anyone has any information on any of these adaptations or on the
> original performance at Ludlow castle in 1634, or anything that you
> think may be of interest to me in my research, it would be great to hear
> from you.
> Many thanks
> Kate Weiler
>
>
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