[Milton-L] asking... how to ask
Dario Rivarossa
dario.rivarossa at gmail.com
Tue Nov 3 12:36:12 EST 2009
Dear Sirs
I thank you for sending me to the issue. But, now a problem arises: if
I want to answer a post, how can I? i.e. to which address should I
write an answer / a comment to be read by all, not only by the blogger
who asked it?
Many thanks
DR
2009/11/3, milton-l-request at lists.richmond.edu
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> 5. RE: Two queries--seven deadly sins (Jameela Lares)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:46:05 -0800
> From: Nancy Charlton <nbcharlton at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Milton-L] Two queries
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> Greetings all,
>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1. Has there been any specific study of PL or PR in relation to the
> seven deadly sins?
>
> 2. Are there any illustrations specifically of Paradise Regain'd?
>
> Thanks in advance, and my apologies if answers are readily found.
>
>
> Nancy Charlton
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:05:42 -0500
> From: "Duran, Angelica A" <duran0 at purdue.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Two queries
> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Message-ID: <C714B3D6.1B4C%duran0 at exchange.purdue.edu>
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> Dear Nancy,
>
> In terms of your first query, I refer you not to publications (study) but
> pedagogy (study). The following is a set of instructions I give to students
> that is based on my own college education:
>
> Student A: Some readers of /Paradise Lost/ have argued that in disobeying
> God by eating from the Tree of Knowledge that Adam and Eve commit all of the
> Seven Deadly Sins, Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger/Wrath, Greed and Sloth
> (mnemonic device: PEGLAGS). Please point to specific lines where such an
> assessment can be corroborated.
>
> Student B: To avoid perpetuating one-sided attention, please see where in
> Books 9 and 10 you can find the 7 Heavenly Virtues: the Cardinal Virtues of
> prudence, temperance, courage, justice; and the Theological Virtues of
> faith, hope, and charity/love.
>
> Quick response to your second query: William Blake did a series of
> illustrations of /PR/. I like the J.M.W. Turner illustration. A webpage by
> Wendy Furman-Adams refers to Bruce Lawson's "Unifying Milton's Epics:
> Carlotta Petrina's Illustrations for Paradise Regained," /Milton Studies/
> XXX, ed. Albert C. Labriola (Pittsburgh: Pittsburgh UP, 1993), 183-218.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Adios,
> Angelica Duran
> Associate Professor, English and Comparative Literature
> Director, Religious Studies
> Purdue University
> 500 Oval Drive - Heavilon Hall
> West Lafayette, Indiana 47907
> U.S.A.
> <duran0 at purdue.edu>
> <http://www.cla.purdue.edu/complit/directory/?personid=80>
> <http://www.cla.purdue.edu/religious-studies/>
>
>
>
> On 11/2/09 3:46 PM, "Nancy Charlton" <nbcharlton at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > I have a couple of questions:
> >
> > 1. Has there been any specific study of PL or PR in relation to the
> > seven deadly sins?
> >
> > 2. Are there any illustrations specifically of Paradise Regain'd?
> >
> > Thanks in advance, and my apologies if answers are readily found.
> >
> >
> > Nancy Charlton
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:38:59 -0500 (EST)
> From: <gilliaca at jmu.edu>
> Subject: [Milton-L] a different take on the creation...
> To: "John Milton Discussion List" <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
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>
> God twitters creation
>
> By melindataub | Published: October 29, 2009
>
> God: Gosh its dark in here.
> 7 days ago
>
> God: There thats better.
> 7 days ago
>
> God: Hey guys im finally on twitter! Whats up?
> 7 days ago
>
> God: guys?
> 7 days ago
>
> God: oh right. i’m the only thing in existence, haha.
> 7 days ago
>
> God: shut up i wasnt talking 2 you RT @Satan I TOO EXIST
> 7 days ago
>
> God: BOOORREEDD with endless void gonna make some stuff
> 7 days ago
>
> God: Hey look what I did today! Separated the darkness from the light. Universe looks like a black and white cookie.
> 7 days ago
>
> God: I shall call the light day and the darkness Eileen.
> 7 days ago
>
> God: Darkness doesnt look like an Eileen. Lets go with night
> 7 days ago
>
> God: Also i created heaven & earth.
> 7 days ago
>
> God: also i created apostrophes but im not gonna use them
> 7 days ago
>
> God: thats enough creating for now. Catch ya tomorrow
> 7 days ago
>
> God: RT @Satan: WHAT IS “TOMORROW”
> 7 days ago
>
> God: oh i forgot 2 mention i created time too. Busy day.
> 7 days ago
>
> God: kind of lame creating 2day. Created a firmament. Not sure what that is
> 6 days ago
>
> God: OMme so much 2 do 2day you guys! Got to bring 4th land from the waters AND create plants and trees. What should i do first?!
> 5 days ago
>
> God: should have done land first. plants sank
> 5 days ago
> God: fixed! Trees now ON TOP of land.
> 5 days ago
>
> God: sorry no tweets yesterday guys. Made the sun moon & stars. turned out 2 be more work than i expected. Theyre bigger than they look
> 3 days ago
>
> God: another busy day. Made @beastsofthesea, @birdsoftheair, and best of all: @penguins. Those turned out so well.
> 3 days ago
>
> God: made some more kinds of penguins.
> 3 days ago
>
> God: Poll: What else should i make? a. beasts of the land b. creatures in my own image c. more penguins
> 2 days ago
>
> God: Answer my poll!
> 2 days ago
>
> God: maybe it was a mistake to create the internet b4 invention of computers
> 2 days ago
>
> God: all right penguins it is. Yay!
> 2 days ago
>
> God: oops. Penguins don’t like the desert.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: or Indiana.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: or the sky.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: ill try the rainforest. Everything thrives in the rainforest.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: Not penguins.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: screw it. Made a bunch of other beasts of the land. Not as awesome as penguins but much less picky.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: also created fake fossils and planted them in the ground 2 make the earth appear much older than it is. Just a little practical joke.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: i need more followers.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: #FollowFriday @adam @eve
> 2 days ago
>
> God: @adam @eve I am the LORD your God who separated the light from the darkness. You shall have no other God before me for I am the LORD your Go
> 2 days ago
>
> God: &#$%ing character limits. Point is, yay! I made you! Hi! Do what i say.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: @adam: such as #noteatingapples.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: @adam what do u mean why? Because im ur god and i said so.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: @adam why r u bugging me about this? u can have all the mangoes u want and theyre way better.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: @adam well youre just going to have to take my word for it.
> 2 days ago
>
> God: @adam WHAT is ur DAMAGE with this apple thing? Eves not tweeting about apples. Shes just off – um –
> 2 days ago
>
> God: @eve Hey!
> 2 days ago
>
> God: @adam @eve: EPIC FAIL at #noteatingapples. Both of u r BANNED
> 2 days ago
>
> God: so yesterday was really stressful. Im taking a break today. No more tweets til tomorrow.
> 1 day ago
>
> God: Check it out, baby panda sneezing! http://tr.im/DsZ5 (took a break from my break to create YouTube.)
> 1 day ago
>
> Cynthia A. Gilliatt
> English Department, JMU, ret.
> JMU Safe Zones supporter
> "You have made God in your own image when God hates the same people you hate." Fr. John Weston
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:35:21 -0800
> From: Nancy Charlton <nbcharlton at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Two queries
> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
> Message-ID: <4AEF5099.6000705 at comcast.net>
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>
> Thank you, Angelica. Study, to be sure, is last word on all questions. I wasn't being lazy, but I don't have easy access to a university library so thought Milton-L folk might know of a particular article in a journal on this question.
>
> I shall make haste to find the Blake and the Turner.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nancy CHarlton
>
>
>
> Duran, Angelica A wrote:
> > Dear Nancy,
> >
> > In terms of your first query, I refer you not to publications (study) but
> > pedagogy (study). The following is a set of instructions I give to students
> > that is based on my own college education:
> >
> > Student A: Some readers of /Paradise Lost/ have argued that in disobeying
> > God by eating from the Tree of Knowledge that Adam and Eve commit all of the
> > Seven Deadly Sins, Pride, Envy, Gluttony, Lust, Anger/Wrath, Greed and Sloth
> > (mnemonic device: PEGLAGS). Please point to specific lines where such an
> > assessment can be corroborated.
> >
> > Student B: To avoid perpetuating one-sided attention, please see where in
> > Books 9 and 10 you can find the 7 Heavenly Virtues: the Cardinal Virtues of
> > prudence, temperance, courage, justice; and the Theological Virtues of
> > faith, hope, and charity/love.
> >
> > Quick response to your second query: William Blake did a series of
> > illustrations of /PR/. I like the J.M.W. Turner illustration. A webpage by
> > Wendy Furman-Adams refers to Bruce Lawson's "Unifying Milton's Epics:
> > Carlotta Petrina's Illustrations for Paradise Regained," /Milton Studies/
> > XXX, ed. Albert C. Labriola (Pittsburgh: Pittsburgh UP, 1993), 183-218.
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> > Adios,
> > Angelica Duran
> > Associate Professor, English and Comparative Literature
> > Director, Religious Studies
> > Purdue University
> > 500 Oval Drive - Heavilon Hall
> > West Lafayette, Indiana 47907
> > U.S.A.
> > <duran0 at purdue.edu>
> > <http://www.cla.purdue.edu/complit/directory/?personid=80>
> > <http://www.cla.purdue.edu/religious-studies/>
> >
>
>
> > On 11/2/09 3:46 PM, "Nancy Charlton" <nbcharlton at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Greetings all,
> >>
> >> I have a couple of questions:
> >>
> >> 1. Has there been any specific study of PL or PR in relation to the
> >> seven deadly sins?
> >>
> >> 2. Are there any illustrations specifically of Paradise Regain'd?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance, and my apologies if answers are readily found.
> >>
> >>
> >> Nancy Charlton
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Milton-L mailing list
> >> Milton-L at lists.richmond.edu
> >> Manage your list membership and access list archives at
> >> http://lists.richmond.edu/mailman/listinfo/milton-l
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
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>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:55:46 -0600
> From: Jameela Lares <Jameela.Lares at usm.edu>
> Subject: RE: [Milton-L] Two queries--seven deadly sins
> To: John Milton Discussion List <milton-l at lists.richmond.edu>
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> There's a dissertation on the topic by Robert C. Fox (Ph.D Columbia, 1957), who make a pretty convincing argument that the various episodes in the pageant of history (books 11-12_ represent the Seven Deadly Sins: envy (Cain's motive), gluttony (the "cave of death" or lazar-house), avarice (sons of Cain), lust (daughters of men), wrath (giants at war), sloth (age of Noah), and pride (Nimrod), after which Milton turns to Abraham and the beginning of redemption. Fox says that Milton does not use the system of Seven Deadly Sins in connection with the Fall itself because the system considers the motives for sin in already-fallen mankind, whereas Milton's epic mostly deals with original sin. The Seven Deadly Sins in Paradise Lost. Diss. Columbia U, 1957, 2-3, 156. [Abstract at DA 17 (1957): 1328.]
>
> Jameela Lares
> Professor of English
> The University of Southern Mississippi
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> ________________________________________
> From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu [milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Nancy Charlton [nbcharlton at comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 2:46 PM
> To: John Milton Discussion List
> Subject: [Milton-L] Two queries
>
> Greetings all,
>
> I have a couple of questions:
>
> 1. Has there been any specific study of PL or PR in relation to the
> seven deadly sins?
>
> 2. Are there any illustrations specifically of Paradise Regain'd?
>
> Thanks in advance, and my apologies if answers are readily found.
>
>
> Nancy Charlton
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