[Milton-L] Re: Trying to Identify a Painting

[Carol Barton]

No need, John--no need. I have known you long enough and well enough to know your comments were entirely out of character, and have said so (privately). They're already forgotten. Thank you for your gracious retraction, though.

Best to all--

Carol Barton
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Ulreich 
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  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 12:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: Trying to Identify a Painting


  I apologize to Carol and to all of the members of the list for my dreadful post. I acknowledge the full force of Peter's rebuke: my post was worse than unjust and ungenerous. It was malicious, gossipy, unfit for public consumption at best.

  Though I have no excuse, I can honestly say that I meant to send it to a friend, decided it was inappropraite even for a private communication, and thought I had trashed it. I am properly punished for my carelessness. I hope that Carol, whose scholarship I admire, and whom I regard as a friend, knows it was not meant in a spirit of malice, though something malicious certainly emerged.

  I hope that all of you will accept my apology.

  At 10:01 AM 2/1/2008, you wrote:

    This is about as unnecessary, unjust and ungenerous a post as I could imagine. Carol offers to do me a favor, and for this kindness she is publicly insulted!

    Fortunately, the post below discredits the sender, not its object. While I am no Pollyanna, perhaps Professor Ulreich might want to recall the old saw about what you should do if you don't have anything nice to say: i.e., don't say anything at all.

    Peter C. Herman

    At 08:51 AM 2/1/2008, you wrote:

      Here's the priceless followup. Other than not bothering to notice that Peter already has the image that she kindly offers to send him, Carol (whom I know and actually like--with such reservations as you may readily imagine) is a careful scholar & a ferocious collector of Miltonic trifles, a genuine (if not perfectly reliable) resource when it comes to information about Milton's life and times. The thing is, she actually believes the sort of bullshit promulgated by the painting: Milton was a wonderful man adored by all who knew him.
      YOB

      At 09:04 AM 2/1/2008, you wrote:

        Delaroche is your man, Peter. I use the painting to which you refer as my screen-saver, and will send it to you. [emphasis mind]

        Best to all,

        Carol Barton

        ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter C. Herman" <herman2 at mail.sdsu.edu>
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        Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:57 AM
        Subject: [Milton-L] Re: Trying to Identify a Painting



          Hello All,

          I am trying to identify a painting of Milton dictating Paradise Lost to his daughters. The image has Milton in the center of the painting surrounded by his three adoring progeny, one of whom is taking Milton's dictation. There is a landscape visible in the window, and Milton's foot rests on a stool. Here is the URL for the image: http://joefelso.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/763px-orlai-milton-1.jpg 

          And if anyone knows of any other images of Milton composing "Paradise Lost" (other than the ones by Fuseli and Dixon), I would be grateful.

          Peter C. Herman


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      John C. Ulreich
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  John C. Ulreich
  Professor of English 
  & Affiliate Faculty in Religious Studies;
  Chair, Dean's Advisory Committee, COH;
  Faculty Senator for College of Humanities
  P.O. Box 210067
  University of Arizona
  Tucson, AZ 85721-0067
  (520) 621-5424
  jcu at email.arizona.edu 
  http// www.u.arizona.edu/~jcu/ 


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