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[Dan Knauss]

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From: milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu
[mailto:milton-l-bounces at lists.richmond.edu] On Behalf Of Horace Jeffery
Hodges
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 5:49 PM
To: John Milton Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: Satan's rhetoric


I'm not sure these reduce to the same thing:
 
S1. what is knowable,
S2. how to know;

C1. knowledge for its own sake,
C2. a humble knowledge, "lowly wisdom," that prompts right worship and right

living.

S1 looks like a point about epistemology, i.e., what we can know. C1 looks
like a point about pure knowledge.
 
S2 looks like a point about the methodology for gaining knowledge. C2 looks
like a point about the proper use of what one knows.
 
I'm not sufficiently well-versed in Milton's prose to know if he measures
out a clear position on each of these (though he obviously does on C2, and
as for S1, he does think that human knowledge has limits).
 
Jeffery Hodges

carl bellinger <bcarlb at comcast.net> wrote:

Sara van den Berg identifies two alternatives here:

"Milton is less interested in what is knowable than in how to know, "

S1. what is knowable,
S2. how to know;

and Carol Barton also has two:

"...a difference between 'knowledge for its own sake' . . . and knowledge 
necessary to live life (being "lowly wise") or to glorify one's Maker,"

C1. knowledge for its own sake,
C2. a humble knowledge, "lowly wisdom," that prompts right worship and right

living.

Are these just different wordings for the same Miltonic duality?

How does God's motivation (7.712 ff) to have himself a good laugh at man's 
expense read across that duality?


712: . . . . . . . or if they list to try
713: Conjecture, he his Fabric of the Heav'ns
714: Hath left to thir disputes, perhaps to move
715: His laughter at thir quaint Opinions wide
716: Hereafter, when they come to model Heav'n
717: And calculate the Starrs, . . .

-Carl



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carol Barton" 
To: "John Milton Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Milton-L] Re: Satan's rhetoric


> Yes, Salwa: there was a difference between "knowledge for its own sake" 
> (of
> the kind that Marlowe's Faustus sought) and knowledge necessary to live 
> life
> (being "lowly wise") or to glorify one's Maker--and in Renaissance 
> thinking,
> the acquisition of knowledge for its own sake (also the pastime of the
> devils in pandemonium) is never a positive thing.
>
> Forgive me if I'm repeating what someone else has said (I haven't been
> following this thread), but what Satan wants to know is information that
> will help him separate himself even further from God (I am self-created), 
> or
> help him thwart God's plan--and what he and Faustus engage in is therefore

> a
> perversion of scholarly research--but worse, in Satan's case, since his is

> a
> quest for knowledge to serve malevolent ends.
>
> Best to all,
>
> Carol Barton
>
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